A discussion with Ivor Chipkin on a different report on going plans from ‘what’ needs to be done to ‘how’ to get it done. Ivor Chipkin, the director of the Government and General public Coverage Thinktank, has reviewed the economic designs at this time in circulation in South Africa. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02582473.2020.1774640